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April 13 debate 2“it
is wonderful to understand more of the historical background of China, but I do
have some questions for you. Can you tell me about the dalalaima’s reign.” “ I cannot give you too much information on this, but let me give you some information on China’s history. China have claimed the ownership of Tibet since 800 years ago, which is longer than the history of American, you can go check the history on this issue. PRC went into Tibet in a peaceful way, we overturned their slavery system, created an equal and fair society for majority of people in Tibet, as I had just mentioned, and china has helped Tibet people to restore their human rights. When dalalaima was in control of Tibet, most of people were slaves, many people were poor and had no freedom, it was a slavery society, and dalalaima represents the aristocrats and monks who had power, when China went in there, their power got reduces, this is why that they have conflicts with Chinese government. When he was driven out from china, the average Tibet people were benefited, and China’s government raised their living standards and gives them the human rights that they deserve. So if you support human rights, then you would want to support China.” "do you think dalalaima is a religious leader?” “I do not know about this, but he is definitely a good politician, he is really manipulative on the Tibet issue, and was able to get all the western media agree with him, and support him with all the misleading reports and images.”
“I think you are wrong about that, China has its own culture and own religious, in fact, many people are Buddhist in china, and china never interfere with that. what kind of religious freedom you are talking about, only the Christian religious freedom?!!” “think about this, if there are 25 Christian decided that they want to go to china to spread gospel. Why would not Chinese government allow that?” “ Actually, you are wrong about that, there are church that were built in china, and Christian can go into china with government’s permission. We have a significant difference on our religious histry. For America, you guys brought the completed, developed Christian religious directly from Europe. The first people who came to America were puritans, they had in depth knowledge on Christianity, and America was built with Christian values, even your constitution reflects this. So everyone already has the basic understanding of Christianity and it became wildly spread. This is not the case with China, Christian is a foreign religious, it is something new to China, and therefore, I think the government need to put some control on that.” “see, this is already a violation of human rights!!” “ You are wrong, let me tell you what is the essential human rights. In my opinion, the essential human right is people have the ability to feed themselves, this need to be solved first before we can talk about anything else. This is the primary task of Chinese government for the last few decades. Let’s put one child police for example. Because of this policy, our population had remained same for many years. You can say that is a violation of human rights, but please stop, and just think about it for a moment. It is not hard to see the effect of this policy. With the growth rate without this policy, china would have at least 2 billion of people right now; there is no way to provide food and basic supply for all those people. Think about India, their people are suffering due to the overpopulation, for many of Indian, their daily task is to just manage to get some food for the day, so they do not die from starvation. Even the world has recognized the problem of India, and there is no way to fix it. The Chinese government foresees this problem, and took care of it for the world, and it is funny to see that we are actually getting blame for it. Just imagine how happy you would be if there are additional 1 billion more people are on the line of life and death every day if we actually agreed on your so-called human right!!!” “…” “furthermore, let me remind you that China has 1.3 billion people, which is way more than the combined population of US and Europe. I can tell you right now, there is no particular party in this world can lead China as well as the communist party. In case you do not know, china’s GDP growth rate was about 10% per year for the last 20 years. Now people in China are getting richer, and people have the basic supply for living. Under the government control, people in china have their essential human right covered which is the ability to survive. Along with this, government started free education for every child for until mid school for 1.3 billion, has any other government been able to do this in the history? As the society develops, other policies start to come up. For example, if both of the people who are getting married are both single child, they are encouraged to have two children, and government will give special funds for that. Also, China started its welfare system which included low-income welfare, medical insurance. All these has been ignored by the western media, they only focused on the negativity according their opinions. “hmm…, I guess you are taking a different approach, and I respect that, but why do you think Chinese government suppresses the missionary people?” "In my opinion, a country can only focus its attention to deal one thing at a time, especially when it has to deal with 1.3 billion people. Right now, the focus is on the material needs of people. Chinese government does not want to have the Christianity entering china right now. Because if China allow Christianity, then it has to let other religion to go into China as well. I know religion is a good thing, especially Christian, but it is also a dangerous thing, since if it is on the wrong person’s hand, it can be misleading. I am sure you know there are many misleading religion that harm society, do damage to people in US and police has to devote tremendous energy to take them out. I think China does not want to waste its resource on that, but to focus all the energy to provide the basic supply and education for Chinese people. Once all those tasks are accomplished, when people do not need to worry about survival, they will start to seek for the spiritual needs. At that time, I think government will not limited any Christian, but also give support to missionary people if it is people’s desire. I think that will not take long.” “I hope that day will come.”
April 12 Debate 1Here are some debates from that day. “let’s stop arguing for a minutes here, let me ask one question. How will you feel if one of your one of your states want to declare independence from US?” One of the American responded “This will not happen, because people likes US and our government.” “This is just hypothetical question, just answer me will you allow that to happen?” “well, I think if one of our states wants to declear independence, and if they really want to do it, and most of other states agrees on it, then they can declear independence.” “Good, let me ask you, if one of your states decided to be independent, but they started it by burning US flag, killing people from other states, what will your government do? Will they send the troops in to stop that from happening?” “hmmm… yes. But that was not what happened in Tibet, Chinese police went in to start suppress the tibets first…..” “let me interrupt you for a second. First of all, I quote from you “if most of other states agrees on it, then they can declear independence.” In china right now, most people do not agree on the independence of Tibet, so according to you, Tibet should not be independent. Secondly, how do you know the information you got from all the western media are correct, let me tell you, many of the reports and pictures are misleading. Also, you told me that if the people decided that they truly want to be independent, then they can be independent, but that is not what happened in American history. Think about the civil war of America, half of the states have completely different opinions on slavery, why did not your government just allow America to be spitted into two? “we want to save the slaves from the south, and establish a fair society that respects the human rights and we want you to do the same thing. To respect Tibet people and give them the freedom.” “you are completely wrong, when DaLaLaiMa was in control of Tibet, it was a slavery society, the monks who are %5 of the population were in control of 95% of people. Those 95% of people were treated just as slaves; they have not freedom, no rights. Yet, when PRC take over the control, the government freed all the slaves. In additional to that, China has given all the human rights that any people could possibly expect. Tibet people don’t need to follow the one child only policy, China provides special funds for Tibet people’s education. China encourage Tibet people to get educated, by lower the college admission points for Tibet people by a significant amount. China helps the Tibet people by building railroad and other infrastructure for Tibet with government funds, I can’t even list all of them right now. So, if you disagree on slavery, you should support China, correct?” ……….. “hmmm…., let me say something. For example, if there is a land where a special group of people lives in America, they have their independent culture, mindset, which is completely different from America. We will not go in there and take over the control, we will not kill them. I think we will respect their independence. Yet in Tibet, china just went in it and took it over by force.” “wait a minute, is that true?!! Let me ask you how did America first establish itself, did it not involve killing most the native American Indians on this? So if one day, the remaining native American Indians claim a part of America is theirs, you will let them take over, and just give that place to them?” “ no, but, but it happened 200 years ago, that was how things works back then.” "REALLY, let me tell you, China owned Tibet for 800 years, so according to your logic, Tibet definitely should be part of China!! you should just go back home and really study chinese history and dalalaima’s reign before you take any stand on this issue, you have no knowledge whatsoever on this issue, therefore you have no rights to say anything.” (I raised my voice on this) ............ “you know that the whole world is disagreeing with your action, and I think you are wrong and need to admit it. ” “I understand that, but tell me this, will you give up on something that you know is true, just because others tell you that is not the truth? (he was shaking his head, so I continued) Or do you think it ever more important for you to have a firm stand on the truth, and express you on this truth, so others can also have the right judgment on this truth? All my argument are based on history, and all your arguments are based on other people’s opinion, which are wrong most of time. You can argue that history is invalid too, but history is more valid than other people’s opinion. I know that you guys and many other western people are good people, but you have been misled by the western media, and ignore the whole history of china which includes Tibet. I am not going to try to convince you about my stand on this issue, I just want to provide more information and give you my perspective on this issue. I urge you to really find out about the truth, by your own research rather than listening to the media. At that time, you can perhaps make a better decision and support the side that your conscience leads you to.” April 11 心灵之旅 - 24 小时的SF之行这一切都是因为xiang有意无意的一句话。 在四月八号晚上,他问我是否想去SF看火炬。 我毫不犹豫的拒绝了, 因为我在4/10 和4/17,4/18都有interviews,我应该好好的准备一下。xiang也没在意,跑去kun那拿钥匙。 我一个人在leavey 前坐着,脑海里回想起早上我看到的video, 是关于金晶的。看到她以那脆弱,残疾的身体保护着那具有重大意义的火炬,而那些ZD欺负她,打她的时候,我哭了。想着想着,我明白了, 我虽然在美国长大,但是我有一颗中国魂。 我也想为我的祖国做些事情,哪怕只是在旁边呐喊助威。这就是我的机会,独一无二的机会,北京的奥运我不一定可以去,而下一次中国办奥运也不知道是什么时候。所以,我一定得去,要不然我会后悔一辈子。我下定决心的时的那种兴奋,快乐的感觉真的没有办法用语言表达。 我把我的决定告诉xiang,他立马打电话给他老板请假。 我记起jingjing也说过她想去。于是我们约上了她和eyln, rui 一起去SF. 大家分头准备了一下,在12 多的时候出发了。 因为时间紧迫xiang豁出去了,开得很快. 而我由于两张tickets在身,老老实实的开… 在此要特地感谢jingjing,我和xiang轮着睡了一下,jingjing却一点都没睡,一直陪着driver讲话,以免我们觉得无聊。 一切顺利,我们于早上6:30到达USF,和duo见面了。从那里,我们一行人搭公车去了AT&T广场。一路上已经有很多的中国人聚集在SF的各个对方。看着那一面面飘扬的五星红旗,心中有一种莫名的感动,而且也下定决心,一定要搞一面来挥舞。 到达会场的时候,xiang一个人先往前面去了,当我们要追上去的时候,警察已经封路了。这样也好,他不辜使命的拍到了奥运圣火。 我和jingjing,elyn,rui还有SF的朋友就找了靠栏杆的位置期待圣火。 全场都是中国的国旗,没有ZD的踪迹。把女生安排好后,我便一个人出发去找国旗了。找到SF的中国领馆负责人,陈述了我们的情况之后,他给了我一面大大的红旗(有旗杆)。 拿到红旗之后,心情特好,到处走了走。突然发现在桥的另一半出现了ZD!!! 有人喊了一声,“有旗子的上啊。”蹬蹬的我和周围的几个男生便向桥那边冲去。现场一面混乱,我只听到我们这边的一直喊着“Dala Liar”, 我也加入了他们。 我一直试图用国旗盖住ZD那难看的旗帜。唉,真希望我高一点… 十多分钟之后,我想到女生还在等我,所以撤离了战场。我一直在想,一定有办法说服老美,我们不能仅仅喊“dala liar”, 这样一点用都没有,而且,我们如果用暴力的话,只会起到反作用。 Jingjing她们看到我带回来的“战利品”也十分的高兴。 之后,我们每个人都拿到了一份印有爱国歌曲的传单。我惊异的发现我基本上还记得上面所有的歌曲,特别欣慰。在使馆的组织下,所有的人一起唱了国歌。那歌词在一次的提醒了我, 在中国有难的时候,所有的中国人都会保护起自己的祖国,就像我们现在正在做的一样。Hehe, 由于rui的关系,我和女生们接受了CCTV的采访,也不知道可不可以看得到。 时间一点一点的过去,转眼已经到中午了,我在此也要感谢USF的朋友为我们提供了午餐。挺好吃的。再过了一会,警察全副武装的出来了,市长也讲了话,可是火炬却没来。后来才知道已经改道了。我们和xiang汇合了,同时还见到了lin和sophie。 于是我们便往预定的终点站ferry building走。 一家媒体跑了出来采访我,问我 "How do you feel right now” I said: “it is wonderful to be here today with all the Chinese supporters, I am just excited when all of us can be united together for this Olympian event. I am extremely happy.” Then he asked “are you really disapointed at change of direction of torch?” I said “no, we have accomplished our purpose here today, to protect the torch。 Even though we didn’t get to say the torch, the torch passed through SF untouched by ZD, that’s what important.” 问了这俩个问题之后, 他们好像很不满意我的回答,便走了,我仔细一看才发现是家日本的电台,得亏我答的还可以,要不可成为罪人了。想着就后怕…. 沿途中,又有人出来访问xiang和我。我们都十分认真的回答了。我们和lin还有sophie慢慢的走在SF里,感觉挺好的。这算是我们take 的break,因为,我们马上就进入那天的主战场— ferry building。 Xiang一开始便十分的激动,开始和美国人argue。于是我也进入了辩论。我唯一的目的就是我一定要让美国人知道中国的事。我和Lin,xiang,sophie,duo 一起告诉他们中国和西藏的历史。最后那几个美国人说他们会去了解中国的历史。还有一位美国人跑了问我们中国的情况,和我们留了影。后来又有一些美国电台访问我,但是我知道我的答案不会是他们想要的,所以应该不会被播出。 带着胜利的喜悦,我们一行人决定去吃饭。Lin建议我们去吃thai food,真的很好吃。之后我们回到了USF. 感谢lin和sophie的带领。之后,我们踏上了回家的历程。 回到家我已经很累了,都不知道24小时可以这样过,12小时在车上,12小时在支持中国。这24小时是我永生难忘的,我不仅仅收获了一些纪念品,交了一些很好的朋友,最重要的是我找回了我那颗被埋没的中国心。 我的space开业了:) 从SF的Torch Relay回来之后,我的心情十分的激动,想把那过去的24小时原封不动的记载下来,因为这段时光已经改变了我,让我更加的了解了我自己,更加清楚了我的身份。 然而我却发现我并没有一个可以让我用中文来表达我的心事的地方,所以,我的space开业了 :) 好久没写中文了,这种感觉真的很亲切。 |
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